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Anybody Recognize This?

Post by CaptTPT » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:01 pm

Hi all. New to the forum. Picked up a barn find a year ago for basically nothing. 1951CC RR. Wife gets boat in divorce settlement. Transports from Sandpoint, ID to Astoria. She knows nothing about the boat, has title but no paperwork, nor any contacts. It’s Veterinary medicine for me. Trying to figure this thing out. Has not seen water in 12 yrs. First work is to get engine running. This boat has a conversion 400 ci SBC. Does anyone recognize this coupler/transmission? Trying to get info on it. The engine is reversed and the distributer mounts to the trans housing. See the numbers on the housing.

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Re: Anybody Recognize This?

Post by drrot » Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:36 pm

Try the photos again. They have to be small.
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Re: Anybody Recognize This?

Post by CaptTPT » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:33 pm

Ok there is a trick that I'm not seeing. Files are 2.8MB. Is that too large?

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Re: Anybody Recognize This?

Post by drrot » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:06 pm

Could be. Go through the steps then press "Preview" If the photo does not show go back and try again.
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Re: Anybody Recognize This?

Post by CaptTPT » Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:26 pm

Ok finally got it
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Re: Anybody Recognize This?

Post by drrot » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:55 am

The numbers are for the rear motor mount. The reverse gear is a Paragon 2XE.
Another issue if it has been converted they/you have to drill the crankshaft to get oil pressure to the inside of the gear.
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1947 Penn Yan 12' Cartopper WXH474611
1950 Chris-Craft 22' Sportsman U-22-1532
1957 Chris-Craft 26' Sea Skiff SK-26-515
1968 Century 17' Resorter FG-68-174

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Re: Anybody Recognize This?

Post by CaptTPT » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:28 pm

Yes. The distributer mounts to the bell housing of the transmission. An interesting finding is that the old Mallory distributer has had the bottom of the shaft where it would engage the oil pump drive cut off. Any idea why that would be? I do not see anything inside the transmission that would impact the drive.

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Re: Anybody Recognize This?

Post by drrot » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:15 pm

Gives it a lower profile to clear the engine hatch.
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Re: Anybody Recognize This?

Post by CaptTPT » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:34 pm

Yes I understand that. That's not my question. The distributer is a standard Chevy Mallory street distributer. Only difference is this one has had the shaft cut off with an abrasive saw just below the gear drive. There does not appear to be a shaft length issue. That is, if the oil pump drive were still there it would not contact anything within the transmission. So why cut it off?

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Re: Anybody Recognize This?

Post by drrot » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:34 pm

Runs off the end of the cam. Small gear with different size teeth.
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1957 Chris-Craft 26' Sea Skiff SK-26-515
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Re: Anybody Recognize This?

Post by CaptTPT » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:29 pm

This is running off a gear drive in the transmission. The engine is reversed. The front of the engine is attached to the bell housing and transmission and faces aft. A std distributer drive for a SBC is on the back of the intake manifold and engages the gear drive on the back of the camshaft. That slot runs a mechanical tach drive on this setup. The gear drive on this distributer appears to be std chevy.

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Re: Anybody Recognize This?

Post by jfrprops » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:27 pm

running off a gear drive in the transmission??? Naw..... ????

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Re: Anybody Recognize This?

Post by drrot » Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:26 am

Here is a shot from the parts book
283dist.jpg
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Re: Anybody Recognize This?

Post by drrot » Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:51 pm

Here is an OPP engine with the gear on the end of the cam
283cam.jpg
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1968 Century 17' Resorter FG-68-174

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Re: Anybody Recognize This?

Post by jfrprops » Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:48 pm

yeah...like Jim posted...the drawing and the photo...man, that is a weird setup ???!!!
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Re: Anybody Recognize This?

Post by CaptTPT » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:17 pm

Definitely a weird set up. Can you tell me what parts book you are referring to? I called Paragon Power to get info. Parts guy there not helpful.

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Re: Anybody Recognize This?

Post by drrot » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:53 pm

Chris-Craft 283 parts book.
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1947 Penn Yan 12' Cartopper WXH474611
1950 Chris-Craft 22' Sportsman U-22-1532
1957 Chris-Craft 26' Sea Skiff SK-26-515
1968 Century 17' Resorter FG-68-174

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Re: Anybody Recognize This?

Post by jwmccman » Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:49 am

Different, Yes
However, Chris Craft built over 40,000 of the 283 flywheel forward engines between 1958-68
using this setup, apparently without any issues.

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Re: Anybody Recognize This?

Post by jfrprops » Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:24 am

oh yeah...I don't question the engineering...it works for sure...but this is not a transmission situation but a cam deal. Not only that we really don't have a "transmission" so much as a reverse gear...etc etc.
interesting setup for sure....John in Va.
1980 Fairchild Scout 30
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1954 Whirlwind deluxe dual ckpt 16'
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Re: Anybody Recognize This?

Post by CaptTPT » Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:49 pm

Excellent. Thank you. Now do you recognize this water pump?
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Re: Anybody Recognize This?

Post by drrot » Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:51 pm

Most likely a Sherwood. Remove the four 1/4-20 screws and the part number will be on the mating surface.
water pump numbers.jpg
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