Active Unanswered
Question about my windlass
Moderators: Don Ayers, Al Benton, Don Vogt
Question about my windlass
My windlass works fine but there is no anchor rope in it. I have opened it up and it has two pullies and an idler pully that puts pressure on the rope. I went to the boat shop down the rode to get rope for it and he says it needs rope with chane laced into it. There is still about 6 feet of rope in the rollers and no chain. He says my anchor won't set without a chain but I don't see anyplace for a chain to run thru my windlass and don't want to screw it up. Any advice would help I have never used a windlass before so have no idea how to set it up. Will the chain go thru it ok or are the old ones just designed for rope only?
Dan Biby
38' Challenger "DreamOn"
38' Challenger "DreamOn"
Chain is always a good idea to ensure a better set on an anchor, but you can set one without. It will take a bit longer rhode to do it though. The chain helps the rhode lay down and get a better purchase to have the anchor set.
That doesn't help the question on the windlass, but if you are not able to run chain through it, you should still be ok as long as you are aware that you may need more rhode to make for an easier anchor set.
That doesn't help the question on the windlass, but if you are not able to run chain through it, you should still be ok as long as you are aware that you may need more rhode to make for an easier anchor set.
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming 'WOW What a Ride!'"
Just purchased my first Chris, 1959 conqueror - It's going to be an interesting ride!
Just purchased my first Chris, 1959 conqueror - It's going to be an interesting ride!
Ground tackle...good explanation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv3_8a7N_aE
BTW, there is only one rope on most boats....who can tell me....for a free lunch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv3_8a7N_aE
BTW, there is only one rope on most boats....who can tell me....for a free lunch
- JohnKadimik
- Posts: 454
- Joined: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:30 pm
- Location: Lake Hopatcong, NJ
- Contact:
- Captain Nemo
- Posts: 730
- Joined: Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:40 pm
- Location: Lyons, NY
- Contact:
According to Chapman's Piloting there are nine ropes on board: bell ropes, man ropes, top ropes, foot ropes, bolt ropes, back ropes, bucket ropes, and tiller ropes. The main thing is that you don't make fast with a rope, you use a line.
What's for lunch Doug?
What's for lunch Doug?
Boats are to be made of wood, otherwise, God would have grown fiberglass trees.
Right on. I was looking at the lanyard or "BellRope".Captain Nemo wrote:According to Chapman's Piloting there are nine ropes on board: bell ropes, man ropes, top ropes, foot ropes, bolt ropes, back ropes, bucket ropes, and tiller ropes. The main thing is that you don't make fast with a rope, you use a line.
What's for lunch Doug?
On a sailboat....what is a sheet?
Congratulations;
First on having Chapman's.
And we'll do lunch, how about next tuesday?
I've wondered about your signature line for a while....didn't Captain Nemo have a "steel" boat (Nautilus)
- JohnKadimik
- Posts: 454
- Joined: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:30 pm
- Location: Lake Hopatcong, NJ
- Contact:
- Captain Nemo
- Posts: 730
- Joined: Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:40 pm
- Location: Lyons, NY
- Contact:
- JohnKadimik
- Posts: 454
- Joined: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:30 pm
- Location: Lake Hopatcong, NJ
- Contact:
The bolt rope is the rope sewn into the edge of the sail. On smaller boats it often feeds through the boom and mast, other times it is there for strength.
I raced sailboats as a kid through college, the question of the only rope on a sailboat is an old one. The bolt rope was usually the answer for us dihngy racers, but the larger boats often have a small outboard with a pull rope and forgetting that can cost you a case of beer. We never had bells or bell ropes.
I raced sailboats as a kid through college, the question of the only rope on a sailboat is an old one. The bolt rope was usually the answer for us dihngy racers, but the larger boats often have a small outboard with a pull rope and forgetting that can cost you a case of beer. We never had bells or bell ropes.
Ok...try these without google. Whats the longest line on a ship? Shortest? Ok...how the tough one...whats a Charlie Noble?
http://www.boatartgallery.com
1956 CC Connie 47'
1959 Caulkins bartender
1965 Cheoy Lee Frisco Flyer
1953 Chris Craft Holiday
1941 Chris Craft Deluxe
Plus 8-12 customer boats at any time
God don't count the days spent messing around in wood boats.
1956 CC Connie 47'
1959 Caulkins bartender
1965 Cheoy Lee Frisco Flyer
1953 Chris Craft Holiday
1941 Chris Craft Deluxe
Plus 8-12 customer boats at any time
God don't count the days spent messing around in wood boats.
-
- Posts: 697
- Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:27 am
- Contact:
Without looking at the video on ground tackle, I would say that anchoring is one of the most misunderstood and myth based practices in pleasure boating.
There is no requirement for chain. Chain adds weight to the anchor assembly, and keeps the rode at an angle which helps set the anchor more easily. HOWEVER, chain is no substitute for letting out enough anchor rode to ensure that the anchor is not only set, but will continue to be so for an extended period. With a rope only rode, 7 to 1 ratio is preferred. So, in 10 feet of water, 70 feet of anchor rode should be let out and so on. Most people let out about 4 to 1 with 10 feet of chain, don't bother to set the anchor by reversing the boat and digging it in, and then wonder why they end up bumping up against someone in the middle of the night, or resetting the anchor several times during an afternoon.
The other issue is what kind of anchor. The Danforth anchor, the most heavily used design in the last fifty years in pleasure boating, is only useful in sand and mud, with a minimum of weed. In the Great Lakes, it qualifies as one of the most useless pieces of ground tackle ever. The Bruce, CQR, Delta fastset, Rocna, and even the old Northill are better anchors in a variety of ground than the Danforth. A 36 foot CC weighing 10 tons requires a 35 to 40 pound anchor with 25 feet of chain and 300 feet of 9/16 line for a really effective ground tackle setup. Another anchor of approximately 22 pounds, with 150 feet of line is a good lunch anchor or secondary setup in the case of difficult or crowded anchorages. Anything less than this on a larger boat is for people who don't anchor much, and would never consider anchoring overnight, or need an anchor in an emergency situation.
There is no requirement for chain. Chain adds weight to the anchor assembly, and keeps the rode at an angle which helps set the anchor more easily. HOWEVER, chain is no substitute for letting out enough anchor rode to ensure that the anchor is not only set, but will continue to be so for an extended period. With a rope only rode, 7 to 1 ratio is preferred. So, in 10 feet of water, 70 feet of anchor rode should be let out and so on. Most people let out about 4 to 1 with 10 feet of chain, don't bother to set the anchor by reversing the boat and digging it in, and then wonder why they end up bumping up against someone in the middle of the night, or resetting the anchor several times during an afternoon.
The other issue is what kind of anchor. The Danforth anchor, the most heavily used design in the last fifty years in pleasure boating, is only useful in sand and mud, with a minimum of weed. In the Great Lakes, it qualifies as one of the most useless pieces of ground tackle ever. The Bruce, CQR, Delta fastset, Rocna, and even the old Northill are better anchors in a variety of ground than the Danforth. A 36 foot CC weighing 10 tons requires a 35 to 40 pound anchor with 25 feet of chain and 300 feet of 9/16 line for a really effective ground tackle setup. Another anchor of approximately 22 pounds, with 150 feet of line is a good lunch anchor or secondary setup in the case of difficult or crowded anchorages. Anything less than this on a larger boat is for people who don't anchor much, and would never consider anchoring overnight, or need an anchor in an emergency situation.
-
- Posts: 2092
- Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:41 pm
- Location: Powhatan Courthouse Virginia
- Contact:
Getting back to the windlass and away from the rope/line/rode controversy:
Sounds to me like you have the "Good Automatic Windlass"......from New Jersey. I don't see otherwise in your post and the description fits that type rode pull windlass....that unit will NOT pull chain into the housing.
Geared unit, with the pulley and idler and gear box with 90W gear lube??? is that what you have....?
John in Va.
Sounds to me like you have the "Good Automatic Windlass"......from New Jersey. I don't see otherwise in your post and the description fits that type rode pull windlass....that unit will NOT pull chain into the housing.
Geared unit, with the pulley and idler and gear box with 90W gear lube??? is that what you have....?
John in Va.
1980 Fairchild Scout 30
19?? custom Argentine Runabout 16'
1954 Whirlwind deluxe dual ckpt 16'
1921 Old Town Charles River 17' (founding Captain, James River Batteau Festival)
19?? custom Argentine Runabout 16'
1954 Whirlwind deluxe dual ckpt 16'
1921 Old Town Charles River 17' (founding Captain, James River Batteau Festival)
-
- Posts: 2092
- Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:41 pm
- Location: Powhatan Courthouse Virginia
- Contact:
can't tell exactly but that pic appears to show a sidepull windlass much like a GOOD in constrution?
for certain will not pull the chain in....but I think it would do the 22 lb anchor just fine. Having a front mounted "crane" for it would really help.
John in Va.
for certain will not pull the chain in....but I think it would do the 22 lb anchor just fine. Having a front mounted "crane" for it would really help.
John in Va.
1980 Fairchild Scout 30
19?? custom Argentine Runabout 16'
1954 Whirlwind deluxe dual ckpt 16'
1921 Old Town Charles River 17' (founding Captain, James River Batteau Festival)
19?? custom Argentine Runabout 16'
1954 Whirlwind deluxe dual ckpt 16'
1921 Old Town Charles River 17' (founding Captain, James River Batteau Festival)
-
- Posts: 697
- Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:27 am
- Contact:
Chain provides a elastic effect by the nature of it's weight in the rode. If anchoring overnight, in a wide variety of conditions, and weight aboard is not an issue, choose an all chain rode of 250 feet, followed by 100 feet of appropriate line. This should be backed up by a rope rode of similiar length mounted side by side with the chain rode and anchor.Doug P wrote:Peter... a few points.
A chain should be used in tidal waters, and I set anchor by reversing the boat.
On the west coast, the Danforth is the prevelant anchor, it all depends on the bottom composition
Danforths are still a good anchor for mud and sand, but in my opinion are not as good as anchors such as the Rocna, Manson, or Delta Fastset. The Danforth has problems with wind shift in resetting itself under load. In rock, weedy ground, shale, and other holding grounds, the danforth rates poorly.
That said, most people who have problem anchoring use too little rode, do not set the anchor properly, use too large a line, or too small an anchor.
Peter M Jardine wrote:Chain provides a elastic effect by the nature of it's weight in the rode. If anchoring overnight, in a wide variety of conditions, and weight aboard is not an issue, choose an all chain rode of 250 feet, followed by 100 feet of appropriate line. This should be backed up by a rope rode of similiar length mounted side by side with the chain rode and anchor.Doug P wrote:Peter... a few points.
A chain should be used in tidal waters, and I set anchor by reversing the boat.
On the west coast, the Danforth is the prevelant anchor, it all depends on the bottom composition
Danforths are still a good anchor for mud and sand, but in my opinion are not as good as anchors such as the Rocna, Manson, or Delta Fastset. The Danforth has problems with wind shift in resetting itself under load. In rock, weedy ground, shale, and other holding grounds, the danforth rates poorly.
That said, most people who have problem anchoring use too little rode, do not set the anchor properly, use too large a line, or too small an anchor.
I am not sure of the make right now but that picture was taken with the cover off. I do have an anchor roller that goes in front of it. I think I will just get a good anchor rope and forget the chain because I don't think a chain will go thru it. I thought the guy at the boat shop was wrong.
Dan Biby
38' Challenger "DreamOn"
38' Challenger "DreamOn"
Good reminder,cenger wrote:With your new anchor line mark off every foot with a tag so you can count the feet as you let it out. The winless will let it our so quickly it's hard to know how many feet you let out without some type of marking.
You can paint the chain with different colors, tags are available to mark lines, I would suggest 10' or more.
Doug
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 10 guests