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Valve covers and intake manifold for 327

Post by island time » Wed May 04, 2016 7:37 pm

Hi Guys, I found a new toy, Don't judge me but I just acquired a 1968 CC 23 Commander.
The original 327QA is there with only 450 hours on her. A previous owner replaced the original intake manifold with an aluminum high rise monstrosity and a holley 750 double pumper as well as finned aluminum valve covers. I want to find original parts to return her to stock so if anyone can help with this endeavor I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks in advance.

Craig
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Re: Valve covers and intake manifold for 327

Post by drrot » Wed May 04, 2016 7:54 pm

Can you post photos of what it took to convert it? Q manifolds are really hard to come by.
What kind of valve covers does it take?
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Re: Valve covers and intake manifold for 327

Post by Chad Durren » Wed May 04, 2016 8:22 pm

Takes this style valve cover, Jim. Go dig a set out of your barn!
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Re: Valve covers and intake manifold for 327

Post by Chad Durren » Wed May 04, 2016 8:27 pm

Here's a pic of the Q intake manifold. This will be a bit tougher to find than a set of valve covers. :D
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Re: Valve covers and intake manifold for 327

Post by island time » Wed May 04, 2016 8:51 pm

Those are the valve covers I'm looking for. I'm learning that the Q manifold is indeed a rare item and if I can't find one I will survive but if at all possible I want this engine to look like it came from the factory when I get done with it. Not sure if I remember how to post pictures but if they come through I hope you can see anything that helps. Sorry for the poor quality.

Craig
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Re: Valve covers and intake manifold for 327

Post by jim g » Wed May 04, 2016 9:14 pm

It looks more like a messed with F series then a Q series.

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Re: Valve covers and intake manifold for 327

Post by island time » Thu May 05, 2016 6:10 am

Interesting you mention that because I am getting conflicting information from the Commander forum on which engine this is. I will take some better pix and post them.

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1988 25' Fourwinns
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Re: Valve covers and intake manifold for 327

Post by jfrprops » Thu May 05, 2016 6:58 am

Yes, I too really like those changes...very nice boat... congrats....go boating....

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Re: Valve covers and intake manifold for 327

Post by Bilge Rat » Thu May 05, 2016 8:02 am

I have a running 327F standard rotation that I will be removing from a restoration that I'm working on. Way too much engine for this boat. Good compression on all 8, appears to be complete including paragon.
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Re: Valve covers and intake manifold for 327

Post by island time » Thu May 05, 2016 6:05 pm

Ok so I Just got some new pix. Hopefully they show more detail to the motor masters.

Craig
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Re: Valve covers and intake manifold for 327

Post by jim g » Thu May 05, 2016 6:22 pm

Thats whats left of an F series engine. They came in 283 or 327. The exhaust manifolds are aftermarket. So are the risers. The obvious stuff thats wrong is carb, intake manifold, valve covers.

The good news is its easier to find the correct parts you need for the motor.

The easy way to tell what you have is the F series is flywheel aft and the Q series is flywheel forward. Since you have a harmonic balancer on the nose of the crank. That would make a F series.

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Re: Valve covers and intake manifold for 327

Post by island time » Thu May 05, 2016 8:35 pm

Jim,
Thank you so much. So now that I know I have the incorrect engine I have to make the decision to make this one stock again or is the originality of the boat blown without the correct engine and I should find a QA? Or should I go balls out and install a 502? (just kidding) LOL.
This also brings up the question of exhaust manifolds, since they are shot I would like to find a set of originals rather than getting aftermarket. Do you know of a source?

Craig W.

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1968 23' Chris Craft lancer
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1988 25' Fourwinns
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Re: Valve covers and intake manifold for 327

Post by jim g » Thu May 05, 2016 8:50 pm

When I was looking in the Chris Craft book. I thought I remember reading that the 23 commander could come with the 327 F or the 427.

The Barr replacement manifolds and risers are very close to the originals. you would just need to find the end plates and relief valve housings.

Jim Staib might have good used ones.

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Re: Valve covers and intake manifold for 327

Post by jfrprops » Thu May 05, 2016 9:14 pm

Get new exhaust manifolds and risers.....don't mess with any old/used stuff no mater how good it looks on the outside.....will bite you in the butt later...and maybe take the block too.

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Re: Valve covers and intake manifold for 327

Post by island time » Fri May 06, 2016 6:02 pm

dully noted. Thank you!

Craig
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Churchville, NY
Alexandria Bay, NY

1968 23' Chris Craft lancer
1971 31' Revelcraft
1988 25' Fourwinns
1972 19' Chris Craft Lancer
1957 18' Chris Craft Sea Skiff
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Re: Valve covers and intake manifold for 327

Post by jfrprops » Sat May 07, 2016 7:34 pm

just noticed she is a VEE DRIVE!

whoa......

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